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DVB-T2 HD receiver with CI+

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:32 pm
by marco.hahn
Hello,

are there any DVB-T2 HD (as used in Germany) receivers that have a CI+ slot? So far, I have only found receivers with CI slot. Preferably, the receiver should work with Linux and connect via USB. However, other OSes and PCI/PCIe would be OK as well.

Thanks for any feedback.

Marco

Re: DVB-T2 HD receiver with CI+

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:13 am
by dekarl
marco.hahn wrote:CI+ ... Preferably, the receiver should work with Linux
I am not aware of any way to make CI+ work with open source software that is not legally dubious.

Re: DVB-T2 HD receiver with CI+

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:47 am
by Heinz
I think, only the technical aspect was asked about... 8-)
@Marco: Look here: http://www.xoro.de/produkte/receiver-fu ... t/dvbt2hd/
- but first only made for irdeto method. Look at SAT>IP-Server and follow the thread (I hope, someone will answer...! 8_) )

Re: DVB-T2 HD receiver with CI+

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:53 pm
by dekarl
Heinz wrote:only the technical aspect was asked about...
I think we have been misunderstanding each other... I understood the OP's question to be related to MythTV (or other open source DVR software) somehow. We can and do support conditional access (Pay TV with encrypted channels, but without DRM).
But CI+/DRM is impossible to enforce for us.
Currently implemented is a 90 minute timeshift restriction on all private channels on DVB-T2 HD according to http://www.areadvd.de/news/dvb-t2-hd-au ... -tv-modul/
And somehow digitally recording the channels via other technical means gets very close to piracy related solutions that we do not want to be associated with MythTV.

Re: DVB-T2 HD receiver with CI+

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:24 am
by marco.hahn
dekarl wrote:I am not aware of any way to make CI+ work with open source software that is not legally dubious.
What are the issues here? Is this a general CI+ thing or only relevant for DVB-T2?

Re: DVB-T2 HD receiver with CI+

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:01 pm
by dekarl
marco.hahn wrote:
dekarl wrote:I am not aware of any way to make CI+ work with open source software that is not legally dubious.
What are the issues here? Is this a general CI+ thing or only relevant for DVB-T2?
Its a general DRM thing. You need a software stack that can enforce stuff like "only 90 minute timeshift!". So you need to use some custom recording storage that no program that can handle it will play once the 90 minutes are over.
With open source its hard to avoid someone commenting out the "if time is up then stop/deny playing" part.

Re: DVB-T2 HD receiver with CI+

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:14 am
by marco.hahn
Hello dekarl,

I am new to this topic. Does conditional access mean CI and DRM mean CI+? So mythtv supports CI, but not CI+, regardless of the source (e.g. DVB-T2 or DVB-S)?

In the end, I need to upgrade my DVB-T setup to have TV after end of March. Means hardware (see original question, I have not found any CI+ receiver for PCs) and software, e.g. mythtv.

I understand your point about open source and DRM completely.